tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3861254808841174611.post8968276917958115456..comments2023-06-26T10:41:44.523-04:00Comments on TF2 Community Items & Hats Pricing Guide: B.M.O.C. and Ebeneezer pricingAdminhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16073120032992201522noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3861254808841174611.post-69205581755117409952012-04-16T18:21:10.632-04:002012-04-16T18:21:10.632-04:00Borg: again, you're entitiled to your opinion....Borg: again, you're entitiled to your opinion. If you saw what we saw in prices you would think differently. And I'll leave it at that. Festives there is a big difference in prices, but the range we now list is one we feel confident with. That's what people are paying.<br /><br />Salam: it was a movement in price (and apparently by a group) that we hadn't seen, so in a sense we were not prepared for it. Best we can do, we've done. Took the price down, let the market figure it out and then once we really felt strongly about the price we put it back up.<br /><br />Darkshadow: people are buying and selling these items now consistently in the range we have up. There was a stalemate we noticed for days after the whole price rise happened. For any item though, when there is a stalemate, that means buyers/sellers are too far apart and a change has to happen.<br /><br />Ploba: we haven't seen that many of these offers/requests.Adminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16073120032992201522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3861254808841174611.post-88875474447441046642012-04-15T15:52:21.578-04:002012-04-15T15:52:21.578-04:00why there are so many guys interested in selling s...why there are so many guys interested in selling s holy mackerel 1:1 for ebenezer ?<br />they even add sweets O.o i think s holy mackerel is worth less than 4 keys now ...plobahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09065927586110743225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3861254808841174611.post-66613010234762991882012-04-15T15:06:08.577-04:002012-04-15T15:06:08.577-04:00Admin: What if people don't pay? Just as a que...Admin: What if people don't pay? Just as a question, if Ebenezers doesn't sell because people demand more than what buyers are willing to pay, will the market price increase because of it or will you leave it the same because you'll have no data to work with?Darkshadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02108663116794359350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3861254808841174611.post-9584352811085947922012-04-15T07:26:31.056-04:002012-04-15T07:26:31.056-04:00Price comes from what people pay, and this is what...Price comes from what people pay, and this is what we see right now.<br />People started to pay 10-14 keys for a B.M.O.C remember? I don't own a B.M.O.C neither an Ebenezer but I think you guys weren't "prepared" for the price raise like you were with the Festives. If you know what I mean.<br />Personally I don't like what you guys are doing.Salamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00983554089885551335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3861254808841174611.post-83570021252145099222012-04-14T13:58:26.322-04:002012-04-14T13:58:26.322-04:00Btw. I've bought a BMOC for OO Bills and I don...Btw. I've bought a BMOC for OO Bills and I dont feel cheated or something.<br />I think it is a good price for this hat (like 8-12 keys) - it is a mediana, something in the middle. BMOC should be swappable with bills. Earbuds (20 keys) is too much for the moment, maybe it sould be corrected before Christmas.Borg Number Onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10217737793292589626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3861254808841174611.post-15500149304530391692012-04-14T13:42:45.069-04:002012-04-14T13:42:45.069-04:00@Admin - I think we got a vicious circle problem h...@Admin - I think we got a vicious circle problem here. Spreadsheet reflects how people trade AND they trade that way becouse spreadsheet tells them to. <br /><br />About festives:<br />There is big unbalance between strange festives, regular festives and stranges. <br />For example - festive strange rocket =20keys, strange rocket = 3 keys, festive rocket= 1 ref.<br />Actually the value of strange festives differs (from 7 keys to 25 keys) on speadsheet while normal fesives are almost the same value.<br /><br />There are people who buy festives in bulk for 1-2 rec. And I think they will set the price in near future as festives are highly limited weapons and the number of players increase.Borg Number Onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10217737793292589626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3861254808841174611.post-59996382033350073392012-04-14T13:15:28.599-04:002012-04-14T13:15:28.599-04:00Darkshadow: we took an extra long look at what was...Darkshadow: we took an extra long look at what was going on with these items and are confident in the range of prices we relisted them at. Rarity does not determine price. Price comes from what people pay, and this is what we see right now.Adminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16073120032992201522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3861254808841174611.post-61820943378058805742012-04-14T13:06:12.715-04:002012-04-14T13:06:12.715-04:00Borg: everyone is entitled to their opinions, we r...Borg: everyone is entitled to their opinions, we respect yours but disagree. We've been doing this since trading came out so I'm not sure what you are referring to. There were, are and will continue to be other sources of pricing information and we encourage you to seek others out if you don't like ours. We take this very seriously and put many hours into making this the best it can be. The market fluctuates around prices higher and lower all the time and while we have some influence which we feel we act responsibly with, we don't control anything.<br /><br />To your suggestion regarding regular festive items, your logic is correct but that doesn't mean prices are higher because of that. We looked into them a little deeper and adjusted the prices, as a set the items tend to sell higher. Separately they sell for less (which is counter-intuitive but sets have premiums).<br /><br />lvbubi: not sure what you are asking.Adminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16073120032992201522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3861254808841174611.post-78157596291256076812012-04-14T09:23:21.338-04:002012-04-14T09:23:21.338-04:00Admin: Is the price of the Earbuds useful?Admin: Is the price of the Earbuds useful?lvbubihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07035872700936283416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3861254808841174611.post-83365146680419894872012-04-14T02:57:58.738-04:002012-04-14T02:57:58.738-04:00I believe the current placement of the price, espe...I believe the current placement of the price, especially for ebenezers, doesn't reflect the items' true value... And none is willing to sell for that low. I'd suggest bumping the price by a few keys, since I've noticed that people sell ebenezers for 5 keys and over, and are unwilling to sell for less (me included). This may or may not cause an increase in price nonetheless, but I'd suggest (again) bumping the price, even by a key or so. The values I'd suggest is 8-9 for BMOC and 5-6 for Ebenezers, because I believe (for ebenezers atleast) that's the price most people bought them for, thus they'll have an initiative to sell.Darkshadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02108663116794359350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3861254808841174611.post-247009374204579052012-04-13T23:20:02.284-04:002012-04-13T23:20:02.284-04:00@Darkshadow
The price of items is artificial so yo...@Darkshadow<br />The price of items is artificial so you cant artificially rise it or decrease it. Its only state of mind that some people accept becouse they see other people accepting it. This spreadsheet prentends to organize market life, but it cant be a bible. So I wouldnt be so fast calling some people scammers (and I dont see many people protesting if somebody sells something for cheap -you only scram when someone is overpricing).Borg Number Onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10217737793292589626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3861254808841174611.post-4790961223168707122012-04-13T23:10:10.381-04:002012-04-13T23:10:10.381-04:00In my oppinion all this spreadsheet is a bad idea ...In my oppinion all this spreadsheet is a bad idea becouse it gives you, the admins too much power and control. I remember back when trading first came out, we traded items for what we liked and wanted ourselves. Now it's "Oh I dont like this but I want it anyway because it is "valuable". There is no value for hats or weapons, Its all created artificially. <br /><br />BTW I want to talk about festives. Strange festives and regular festives comes from the same crate, that has VANISHED (cannot be uncrated anymore). So the items like the same unique as bills. You can still uncrate strange scattergun, strange rocket, becouse the crates exist, but not festives. Can anyone tell me reason why should I pay 25 keys for s.fmedigun and 1 refs for f. medigun? <br /><br />I got infos from my frirnds that they are succesfully selling festives for keys. Market naturally corrects low-priced festives so there should be a correction on the priceheet. You need to be more flexible. Limited weapons cant be "0,66-1ref". It is disgraceful.Borg Number Onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10217737793292589626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3861254808841174611.post-32096810109580549582012-04-13T12:47:33.401-04:002012-04-13T12:47:33.401-04:00Schmee: we have the price or range that we think r...Schmee: we have the price or range that we think reflects the best idea of average price. Highs and lows can be very divergent from the average and are not often useful.Adminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16073120032992201522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3861254808841174611.post-37726867640361812212012-04-13T11:47:05.807-04:002012-04-13T11:47:05.807-04:00Why doesnt the spreadsheet have a high, low, and a...Why doesnt the spreadsheet have a high, low, and average (and/or median) price column?Schmeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05294938341818010435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3861254808841174611.post-54666971247112395442012-04-13T11:27:41.539-04:002012-04-13T11:27:41.539-04:00When you get an alt and trade with yourself a bunc...When you get an alt and trade with yourself a bunch of times on different servers (all while constantly changing your name), its easy to drive up a price. <br /><br />Servers never give a list of all the players, making it hard for anyone to track to see if these trades are done by the same 2 accounts. This sure does it easy for 1 man to create some nice profit for himself. >:PSchmeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05294938341818010435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3861254808841174611.post-39644851696640456852012-04-12T07:03:47.124-04:002012-04-12T07:03:47.124-04:00Nothing preventing said script kiddies to scam ano...Nothing preventing said script kiddies to scam another item. Would you be happy if they decided to do that with your backpack? No, obviously. Why should we have someone lose in the situation, when we can give those who bought the hats a chance to minimise loss? Besides, many more people have bills than they have Ebenezers or BMOCs.Darkshadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02108663116794359350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3861254808841174611.post-70451552951234355932012-04-11T19:06:34.001-04:002012-04-11T19:06:34.001-04:00No the price is generally halfway between how much...No the price is generally halfway between how much people are buying, and how much people are selling, you're example of selling something for a scrap is flawed because a scrap is the lowest form of payment possible.mag1hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03612581847088949699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3861254808841174611.post-78443270375351349612012-04-11T17:06:15.010-04:002012-04-11T17:06:15.010-04:00I would like to draw attention to the fact that si...I would like to draw attention to the fact that since it became known that a group of scammers tried to artifically raise the price, another group of people tried to bring it down by undercharging for it (namely, 2 keys or so). Because of this price rise, many have bought Ebenezers and BMOCs to try and turn a profit (me included). Now, with the price falling faster than a penny down a well, what I believe will happen is tons of sad owners of Ebenezers and BMOCs will hoard the hats until they get a better price for their stuff. And it was mentioned somewhere above that russian script kiddies hacked themselves thousands of them. So? If you underprice it, that'll cause the price to drop as they'll scrap them, and go after the next best thing. I would also like to point out that this economy is not exactly real, and not meant for making an actual monetary profit, even if some are. This means that what that group did isn't "illegal" in any way, although I myself would not agree to it at such a degree (buds or unusuals for ebenezer). My opinion is that the Ebenezer and BMOC should be priced at about 7-8 keys or so to give a chance to those who bought it for more to atleast cut their losses (imagine being scammed for 5 keys. Not nice, huh? It's also because these people are quite a lot), whilst still remaining affordable for others. Otherwise, I'd like to repeat, something like Hybrid mentioned could happen: None selling those hats unless people would pay 10 keys or whatever, and we'll have the same problem again at our hands, only this time it won't be one group that's caused it, it'll be a community. And so you don't think I'm biased, take a look at Spectre's comment a bit above. He doesn't talk like he has an Ebenezer or BMOC, and yet he doesn't rage: He views them as an investment, and is happy for the people that got one. Kudos to him / her. To recap: It's unfair to penalise players who viewed such hats as investments with major key losses, and it's also unfair to "rob" the ones that didn't view this as a legitimate opportunity (though I'm not very sure of the validity of the latter). Therefore, a price between the two extremes must be found, otherwise the problem will arise again, and as far as I can see, the prices will be forced to rise to where they were because of players refusing to sell for less.Darkshadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02108663116794359350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3861254808841174611.post-43971504655432694232012-04-11T16:42:05.805-04:002012-04-11T16:42:05.805-04:00My opinion is that: promo item cant be worth more ...My opinion is that: promo item cant be worth more than game what for was given, or earbuds cant be worth more than real life earbuds.. just not right.<br /><br />About b.m.o.c its good hat, but for christmas evening(not more), ebenezer its ugly not want comment it. <br /><br />to Hybrid, and everyone,i like Bill's to, because hat for every day, its men's hat.exchangePlshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15899852694903154332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3861254808841174611.post-17502129664344559852012-04-11T14:31:40.496-04:002012-04-11T14:31:40.496-04:00My opinion is(beware, as I've stated on an ear...My opinion is(beware, as I've stated on an earlier comment before, I do not own either of these hats from the Christmas event), that whether or not the spreadsheet price will be left out, the B.M.O.C. and/or Ebenezer will be hoarded for sure. <br /><br />I do support the fact of the admin that the price is what people want to pay, but in this case, it's more about what people are actually going to pay. <br />I mean yeah, almost everybody buys one of either hats(BMOC/Ebenezer I mean with that) wants them for the old spreadsheet price, let's take the 5-6 keys of the BMOC for example. <br />That guy wants the BMOC for 5-6 keys, gets a random dude on a trade server, asks him for the BMOC, the BMOC-owner will basically be like: <br /><br />"You want one for 5 or 6 keys? Well, tough tits, you ain't be gettin' one for that...". <br /><br />That's how it is in my eyes. <br /><br />And about the looks... For me, a Max Head, BMOC, Ebenezer, HOUWAR, Voodoo Juju, Spine Chilling Skull and Summer Hat look all the same to me. Plainly unfitting and ridiculous(by the fact that I've been playing TF2 since 2008, I find almost every hat in this game ridiculously overdone and horrible). <br /><br />Bill's Hat? <br /><br />Perfect. A Soldier's Beret. Seeing that it's an FPS game, where you shoot and kill, what soldiers normally do, I find this thing the best all-class hat you and/or I could ever imagine in this whole design concept of the game(You can judge my opinion however you like, since I own one myself, so meh). Flippin-floppin bunny ears, pompom/Santa hats, tentacle beasts and skullies won't change my mind, eh.<br /><br />My idea would be a negotiation with the people who sell them incredibly high, in a civilized way, you know, like a peace council(JUST LIKE IN SKYRIM!). Could turn out quite interesting, I suppose. Unless they don't give up with this, then it's pointless(and then they probably FUS RO DAH you off a cliff or something, blimey).<br /><br />(Sorry if the Skyrim part confused you, I've been addicted to this game lately <.>)Hybridhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01364789072035998486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3861254808841174611.post-18038144881783554582012-04-11T00:28:32.870-04:002012-04-11T00:28:32.870-04:00As an owner of an Ebenezer, all I have to say is t...As an owner of an Ebenezer, all I have to say is this : Rarity does not equal Value.<br /><br />Just because an item is rare, that does not mean that it will have a high demand. After going on to many trades and sifting through comments, all I'm seeing is people arguing over the "facts". Honestly, whether or not you think either the Ebenezer or the BMOC looks better or worse compared to a bills, max head or on its own is YOUR OPINION. That isn't a valid reason to raise the price. Also, take into account that they are Winter Holiday hats and we are nearing Summer, the demand for these hats is bound to(not saying it necessarily will) go down. It's unreasonable to raise the price at this time. But keep in mind when the Holidays do come back around, the demand will most likely increase because in the end, they are Seasonal Themed hats.<br /><br />On another note, BMOC's are Santa Hats; perfect for Winter holidays. There really isn't another hat that could fit so well for that time period, so chances are that Valve may release more this year, thus making the rarity of it decrease (only an assumption).<br /><br />My final point is that, if these hats were to increase in value, it should solely be based on the fact that they are in high demand. At this point in time, a jump from a few keys to Buds+ is quite unreasonable. Prices increase overtime, yes, there are a few occasions where it does jump over night due to items becoming unattainable and we the traders do shape the values of items. But, they should not be determined by a group of people who do not provide actual facts and mainly seek to make a profit.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03763559929182926408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3861254808841174611.post-64564404593739715812012-04-10T23:11:38.060-04:002012-04-10T23:11:38.060-04:00I'm more than happy with Ebenezers being worth...I'm more than happy with Ebenezers being worth a buds each, and BMOCs having a price of 1.5 buds. I think that is an extremely reasonable price for these hats, 'cause there are no others like them. There are genuines and vintages, as well as promos, but there were previously no major Christmas hats.<br /><br />It's funny how you can buy a game for $30 and receive and item which eventually becomes worth over $100. I don't own either an Ebenezer or a BMOC, nor do I own any items worth that much. I am a fan of having a couple hats and stranges for each class, and, I've been offered Buds for all my items. The TF2 economy relies on change, or if there is no change the economy will crumble. <br /><br />All of you people who are hating these new prices are jealous of those who got these hats while they were cheap. The people who bought them while they were cheap "invested" in a lottery ticket. They won. You are jealous because someone with 100 hours on TF2 is wealthier than you, who has played over 1000 hours. Getting angry is both silly and immature, really. Do you see someone win a $20,000,000 lottery and start complaining that it wasn't fair? If you do, get a life, and be happy for them. <br /><br />I know I'm happy for those lucky guys who got these hats, you all should be too. If you're angry because some people made hundreds of accounts and got plenty of these items, you're an idiot. They siezed an oppurtunity. There was nothing but yourself and your wallet stopping you from doing the same.Spectrespectrumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17508854972283896211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3861254808841174611.post-91671642196140727462012-04-10T20:09:00.656-04:002012-04-10T20:09:00.656-04:00A clean explanation of what happened with the pric...A clean explanation of what happened with the prices of these items:<br />http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2640611Alessandro Nakamutahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02965065772628765996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3861254808841174611.post-46686701792622753052012-04-10T18:22:07.792-04:002012-04-10T18:22:07.792-04:00as a comment to your update: I think that the only...as a comment to your update: I think that the only thing that is stopping the two hats from rising is spreadsheet has taken it down. not allowing anyone to see that it IS WORTH a lot. i seriously blame spreadsheet for extreme drops in prices for most items. since spreadsheet stopped posting these items no one knows what they are worth. i suggest if something like this happenes again just gradually increase the price. dont just say its a scam and let it sort its self out.ajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03676914346066853636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3861254808841174611.post-9988695286179584072012-04-10T16:00:15.956-04:002012-04-10T16:00:15.956-04:00Yay, I'm on the spreadsheet page. Does this ma...Yay, I'm on the spreadsheet page. Does this make me famous?ConfusedCactushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17223489154539499761noreply@blogger.com